because these are citizens that have paid taxes all their life and yet going around making excuses, i have all types of guns. you know, i'm not doing anything about it. and that's the issue here. >> yeah, and i would like, i want to point out that stop and frisk is a politically triggered wording. but the fact is, police departments, san francisco and oakland, they do it. and they do stop ask searches. >> they have the chp, the mayor brought the california highway patrol in and they're patrolling east and west oakland and pulling cars over for minor infractions and basically frisking them. >> that's the thing, a minor infraction first. with stop and frisk, the policy would be that you have the ability to stop and frisk a suspect just because you believe that they might be up to something. >> and some of that is going on. we just, we call it targeted enforcement. that's what they talked about. >> and the highway patrol has no problem doing that. >> but you're pulled over for something initially. >> the problem is that if oakland does it, the people get upset. but they bring in other ag